Health-care Reform
Dear far rightists, rednecks, super-conservatives, pretentious bastards, and Obama haters,
Lets clear a few things up about the health care bill. First off, I understand that you make $12 an hour and you somehow think that this bill along with Obama is going to steal your freedom and guns, but it’s not. I promise. Stop being so greedy and blaming it on lazy asses who don’t work and are on medicaid. Stop saying you are tired of paying for them to live off you. Get off you high horse, damn it.
The bottom line is health care is too damn expensive and everyone is entitled to it! Now is about the time you say “I shouldn’t be forced to have health care if I don’t wanit, we are FREE in AMERCA!”
There is a good reason for requiring people to have health care. It saves us money. If people take care of themselves when symptoms first arise, then there is less chance they get seriously ill. This means some sick ass poor family doesn’t end up in the emergency over a chest cold that turned into pneumonia and costs the hospital $50,000 which they end up charging to the government, which WE pay for. So in short we save money if people have health care.
Next you complain about lazy people benefiting from YOUR tax dollars! “Those damn Blacks and Mexicans need to get out of AMERCA, this is the land of the damn FREE!” Well sorry to tell you my friend, unless you make about $250,000 a year, you aren’t paying for it and lets face it, you make 35k a year. So stop acting like your shitty career really matter. No wonder you are such an asshole.
For those of you who blame it on bleeding heart liberals or “free spirited college kids”, fuck off. College kids don’t vote anyways. Besides, they are the ones that will be hit the hardest since young people’s premiums will go up most because they are young and healthy and insurance agencies can’t charge the elderly more than 3 times there lowest rate.
Am I saying the health care bill is perfect? Hell no. What I am saying is that you are a dumb ass if you think everyone doesn’t deserve health care, even if you do have to pay for it. Next time you want to complain, complain to a child who is making T-shirts for $4 a week in China, they have real problems. And if you think those kids aren’t your problem either, you’re just an asshole. Where do you think your T-shirt came from, jerk.
Oh, and stop hating Obama, Fox News is NOT fair and balanced.
April 5th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I make well above the mark of someone who will get subsidized healthcare. And I don’t make above the 250K mark where i will have to pay extra for people that think they are entitled to something just because they breath in this country. I have never taken a single government handout and will not ever. I work hard for my money, and will not enjoy seeing the prices of everything go up to cover the cost of healthcare. My money is important to me. It is what i have to show for my hard work. I love to be a part of this country. It is the greatest country in the world, but is falling faster and faster these days. I do not yet have college education, but I’ve missed exactly one week of work since I started working almost 10 years ago. And I make lots more than a lot of people i know who do have a college education. I feel like it has a lot to do with the hard work that I have done, and the good decisions that I made. I haven’t made all the right ones, and I could be better than I am now, but I am proud of what I have become. I haven’t always had health insurance, but I have always been able to afford it. Its like the nice car that I would like to have, but I waited until i could afford it instead of expecting it to be given to me somehow. I hope to one day either own a small business or make over 250k a year. I really hope by then people are not penalized for being successful like they are now. It seems the harder you work and the better off you are, the more you have to give to people who don’t deserve it. And the less work that you do, and the more you sit on your ass, the more rewards you get. I guess if you live with your parents, and have 6 kids, and are unmarried, and don’t really feel like getting out and looking for a job, you would be a lot better off. I don’t have 6 kids, and I really plan on waiting until my household income is more than 100K before I have any, (almost there).
Why do people think they deserve things they don’t work for? Why do they feel entitled to have a crutch of the government to provide for them? Why cant taxes just go to the upkeep of our city, our national defense, and our public servants, and i DON’T mean the politicians, who make enough in all of their dirty deals to never need an income.
The other day I watched a couple in walmart, who had about 4 teeth between them. This nice, less than monthly bathed, white couple had a cart full of carefully hand picked groceries. They had little government provided coupons that allowed them to get all of their cart full of groceries for less than 5 dollars. They were nasty, and obviously on drugs. The part that made me the maddest was that when the cashier gave them the change, (<50 cents) the guy quickly hands the change to his woman friend, and acts disgusted saying, "I hate change". This money was like 10% of what he paid for the groceries! It made me sick to watch these lazy saps get more groceries for less than 5 dollars than I got for $80.
you want to know why your current insurance is so expensive? I pay the same premium for my health insurance that I NEVER use, that the 400lb, smoker, who never washes his hands, and gets drunk all the time does. He will likely have 1000's of dollars worth of surgery for preventable diseases, that my insurance company will raise my rates to pay for. And now , thanks to your Messiah's healthcare system that he built in closed door meetings that he promised not to do, Insurance companies are required to give him insurance even with preexisting conditions. This makes me sick.
What if you owned a insurance company? Would it be fair for the government to make you sign people up for health insurance, when you KNEW you were going to lose money on? I sure hope that if i own a company one day, the government doesn't force me to lose money. I feel bad for people that have unpreventable preexisting conditions. And that's why we have so many programs specifically for them. I don't want to help the fat smokers out with their premiums though.
I spend hours every week keeping up with the news on TV and Radio and paper. Please do your homework as well before you rant.
April 6th, 2010 at 7:07 am
I am an illegal Mexican. I love living in your country for free.
April 6th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Does the conservative asshole have a blog? He actually sounds like he knows what he is talking about!
April 6th, 2010 at 7:55 am
You all obviously do not understand simple economics. We live in a free Market society. That means if you want to have rich, there has to be poor. We have to have people who do labor, assembly lines, janitors, etc. and there will always be unemployment! Everyone can’t be the best, look at all of the people with college educations that can’t find a job!
So should these people not be able to have healthcare, what about there kids.
I’m glad you all have goals and ability to start your own business and make over 250k PROFIT a year, but if you do can’t you afford to help out the needy. And do my research? Do yours, the most common people on welfare and living off the government are single white mom’s, not some pimp or thug stealing your money.
Face it, its not about being liberal or conservative, its about being fucking greedy. And you assholes are being greedy!
P.S. Illegal immigrants don’t qualify for government programs, so don’t worry about paying for them.
“THIS IS AMERCA!”
April 6th, 2010 at 8:45 am
#1: Spell America correctly, it helps in making your point.
#2: I understand there will be rich and poor. The poor are allowed to not have ambitions and live care free.
I never said anything about pimps and thugs stealing my money. And single moms need to think about what they are doing when they have a child. By your “single white mom’s” comment, it makes me think that you feel like I am somehow prejudice. I know lots of single moms that do just fine raising their kids. Others, not so much. Just the same as I know at least one person of every race, every gender, in every situation in life that has either overcome, or failed to overcome. It’s all based on how much you want to succeed, and sometimes a little bit of luck.
I also never said that people shouldn’t have health care. You can still get health care without having health insurance. I spent over $2k in a hospital once before I had health insurance, but they were treating me before they knew I could pay for it. And I give charitable donations to the people who i deem deserve it. I don’t need the government to chose for me who deserves my money.
Also, I know someone that saved about $15,000 by not carrying health insurance throughout college for 4 years ($300 a month insurance). With this new bill, this person would have been forced to purchase health insurance that they didn’t need.
Everyone thinks its ok to tax the rich and it wont affect them. Who do you think you buy your goods from? They are going to raise the prices of their products to make up for the extra taxes and penalties they will have to pay.
You also complain about the offset of rich people and poor people. Would you rather a Doctor that goes to school for 8+ years make the same amount as someone who works at some cash register somewhere? I guess that would be fair in your mind. If you take away the incentive for working hard, where will the progression of this country come from? I guess your “Simple economics” also explains why we, as a country should spend our way out of debt.
April 6th, 2010 at 8:51 am
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have… The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
-Thomas Jefferson (or maybe Gerald Ford)
A quote directly from the “What JASB is all about!” link. Think about those words.
April 6th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Fine, you’re right, lets just let everyone who can’t afford health care die. There kids too. All the janitors, food industry workers, underpaid, lets just weave them out. Only the strong survive, only the best and brightest who “actually work” are worth anything anyways.
There’s not way we should have to pay one penny more for our shirts, shoes, lawn mowers, and projects to help those poor bastards! I need my stuff! It’s my money and everyone else can kiss my ass.
Who cares is people have to drain there savings or just let the goverment eat it to pay for health care. We have universal health care, its called the fucking emergency room!
So what do you guys think?
April 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
No, I never said that everyone wasn’t equal. In fact, we all have an equal chance, and opportunity in life to make something of what you are given. Some of us start out in a more fortunate situation than others, and some of us start out with less. People are allowed to make something or nothing out of their life, and it doesn’t make them any more or less of a person. It can though, make their circumstances harder, and less bountiful.
I believe in helping those who do not have the ability to help themselves. But you can’t honestly say that if you are willing to work to provide for people that do not want to help themselves.
Lets say you were in a village with 100 people and everyone was given the same amount of money, food and provisions every week. You worked hard every day to be one of the top 10 producers. There are 10 of the people in your village that never lift a finger to do anything. Yet they continue to get the same rewards as you do, for doing all of your hard work. Maybe one day the Government of that village decides that they need more provisions than you do, because you conserved yours and had extra. Could you honestly say this is ok? Shouldn’t the rewards go to those who work hard for them?
I don’t think that underpaid people deserve to die or go without. I cooked, and served food, and worked at cash registers and factory jobs. I’ve cleaned toilets and mopped plenty of floors. I decided that I wanted to make more money and provide the best things that I could for my family. And If I become very successful at it, I would rather keep as much of it as possible for my family.
Things do need to change in our health care system, but giving more government handouts is not the solution. The more you give away for free, the more people think they don’t have to work for things.
April 6th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Damn, I’m just proud to see some decent, not too hateful, commentary on the website.
Here’s bottom line for me, I don’t have much faith in the government doing anything correctly, but I think we do need some kind of safety net to protect not only ourselves, but the hospitals that suffer so much loss from dealing with the uninsured. Its not right that someone can skirt having health insurance, get in a car wreck or have some sort of traumatic medical condition crop up and be taken to the emergency room and expect treatment.
I know if someone is driving a car and hits me, I want them to have car insurance, and if I am a hospital and someone comes in requiring thousands of dollars in care that I am obligated by law to provide, I want them to have insurance too!
The entire system is out of control. What the government should really do is force transparency on the insurance industry and let the market sort it out.
April 6th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I like you little village example, but everyone isn’t give equal opportunity. Some kids are born into crack homes, orphanages, fatherless homes, and worse. Do those people still stand equal chance? If you say yes, then raise your children in that environment. Why not? Because you know as well as I do everyone is not born on even ground with equal opportunity.
Some people are born to believe they can’t make it out, or never taught the value of hard work and education. Those people DO NOT have an equal chance and that’s because everyone can’t be a winner.
Furthermore, people who work harder are rewarded! Would you rather be the person who make 250k a year and taxed more or on welfare? What about make 100k a year or 250k a year and be taxed? Yeah, you want to make more, that’s called incentives. Your point is a straw man argument!
So it is our duty as fully functional, successful, LUCKY, Americans to help those people in need out.
Can government get too big? Hell yes it can! Are Americans too fucking greedy? Hell yes they are! Will some bastards slip through the cracks in the system, oh yeah. But to say everyone has an equal opportunity and we should let them fend for themselves is ignorant.
April 6th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
If as many people who believe in this health care bill thought it was necessary to insure the uninsured, why didn’t the salvation army (or similar) have a health plan run on donations? Was it due to the inability by law to have one? Or due to the fact that no one would have paid into it anyway?
I completely support the previous government sponsored health care plan…the military. If you want free health care, go out and defend our nation – I won’t have a problem paying for your health care at that time. In fact, you would probably learn skills that would allow you to get a decent job and pay for your own health insurance!
April 6th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
mw2?:
I couldn’t agree more about the military! That goes for everyone that is crying about not having a job too. If you have gone more than a month without a job, it is because you don’t want one bad enough.
AthensWriter: your quote “Those people DO NOT have an equal chance and that’s because everyone can’t be a winner.”
What I said was everyone had an equal chance to make something better than what they started with. In fact, if you think about it, the lower you start, the more room you have to grow and be proud of.
April 6th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
I support the military! I have many friends who serve in it. But who pays for the military? Taxes, we do. So saying join the army to get health care is not the answer. We already spend too much damn money on military. We should focus on infrastructure and education.
Don’t spend money on health care, spend it on war – that’s not logical.
April 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Okay when making something better of yourself means you still can’t afford health care we have a problem.
April 6th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Just got a quote for heath insurance. Its not the best coverage, but it will help you in case of a health issue, or an accident. $30 co-pay, $2500 deductible. $63 a month. If you cant afford that, you are not working hard enough.
April 6th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
That’s perfect.
It won’t cover any prescriptions, no hospital visits or emergency room bills. My sick kids fever can’t be treated and I’m basically screwed! Hell what does it cover?
Good to know that if I get so fucked up and I need surgery (because I couldn’t afford to act earlier) I will be covered. I’ll still owe 2500, but fuck it.
Does this even cover my family? What if my kids get sick? Was that last comment a joke? I pay $63 for nothing! Would you pay for this shit? WHAT A DEAL!
Health care reform. Thank you.
April 6th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
The quote i pulled did cover all of that with %’s of coinsurance. What kind of insurance do you have now? Do you realize that the government is not actually providing insurance? They are only supplementing the cost. The insurance companies will still be the same ones selling you the insurance. I was only pointing out that it is affordable, but you get what you pay for.
I doubt you really know how this is going to affect you. Have you gave it any thought about how your insurance situation is going to change? Do you currently have insurance? Is it going to be any cheaper?
April 6th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Spending money on the military does not equal spending money on war. At this time the current administration has decided to utilize our military for war purposes, but you should voice your opinion that the military should be used more for defense, not offense if that is your stance.
The 2010 budget proposes 533.7b for defense. That IS a lot of money. However it is not as much as the 821.7b proposed in the budget for health care.
Education is only getting 46.7b, and infrastructure is getting 72.5b. Maybe we should focus more on infrastructure and education. 821.7b would go a long way towards that. Smarter more productive people…working. And probably paying for their own insurance.
April 6th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Haha, I just love that none of the naysayers have a viable plan. They just know they don’t want Obama change! I wonder if George Bush was floating this, how differently it’d be viewed and received.
Quit bitching and come up with a plan, a real one! Then take it to your congress person and senators.
Healthcare is broke, and I dare anyone with a child of their own to buy a fucking $63 a month health care plan for them!
April 7th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Damn website will no longer let me post
April 7th, 2010 at 8:12 am
If Bush was pushing this bill i would be just as against it as I was against the bailout plans. Do you realize that 17 states have now joined a lawsuit against the healthcare reform bill? I don’t think you understand how big this is. But, you told me you didn’t really care, and was only arguing to get people fired up anyway.
April 7th, 2010 at 8:14 am
What I cant figure out is, why he@lth insur@nce is warranted as such a necessity of life. If i had the choice to go without a roof over my head, 3 meals a day, clothing, and he@lth insur@nce, I believe i could go without he@lth insur@nce first. It is estimated that over 1 million people are homeless in America. I’m pretty sure they would rather have a place to live than he@lth insur@nce. And now they are going to get finned for not having he@lth insur@nce.
April 7th, 2010 at 8:14 am
But you want my plan, so here it is. Force hospitals and doctors to be upfront with their pricing which will dive competitive prices saving the cost to the insurance companies, which should bring premiums down. Next, encourage heath insurance companies to give discounts for people that do not drink, smoke, or weigh twice the average person. They could also give discounts to people who get regular checkups and keep in good physical shape. And let the market do what it always does. The government hasn’t actually found a way to make health insurance prices go down. They are merely taking money from people who work hard for it, and giving it to people who don’t, so that they can buy insurance. We are still going to be paying the same amount for insurance.
Shanoboy: you still wont answer my question about how this will affect you to make you love the healthcare bill so much? Is it going to be cheaper for you?
Also, buying cheap healthcare for your kid is not child neglect or abuse. It is simply a financial risk. You still need to take your kid to the doctor if it gets sick. You could overpay for premiums you hardly use, and over pay in premiums, or you could pay cheap premiums, and end up over paying in dr visits. It really could go either way. Let me remind you of the person i mentioned above that saved 15K betting on the fact that they would not get any bad illnesses while in college and didn’t purchase health insurance at all. If my insurance was not free where I worked, I would have the cheapest insurance I could buy. I hardly ever go to the doctor, and I only need coverage if I have a major accident or health problem that would threaten me financially, in which case i would be covered.
Oh, and Athenswriter: the $2500 deductible is nothing when compared to the savings in the premiums. I know you may have a little trouble with math, like you do grammar and spelling, so I’ll give you a hand. If you paid $63 instead of $300 a month, you would save $2844 a year. That is $344 savings if you end up having to pay your $2500 deductible. And if you remain healthy all year, you are out Nothing! you just get to walk away with that $2844 in your pocket! When you get out in the real world and start experiencing these things, it will all make sense to you one day. Ask your parents about it.
April 7th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Kept flagging me for spamming for saying “Health Insurance” too many times.
April 7th, 2010 at 8:23 am
@Asshole Conservative: I’m interested in the healthcare bill because I think it is a major problem cropping up in society. Since I’m a member of society, I’d like to see it fixed. It isn’t different than being a male in your mid 20′s with no children and single, but being concerned with the education system! Having a good education system will help the people of society as a whole, which is good for me, you and everyone else!
As for your logic in comment #23, not too bad. Anything that forces transparency on the market and empowers people to make clear decisions easily is alright in my book! That is essentially the same thing I propose we do, but kind of reverse (transparency forced on healthcare providers over health insurance providers.) I say we force it on both.
April 7th, 2010 at 9:54 am
A. Decent private health-care is too expensive and everyone can’t afford it. Period.
B. Everyone deserves to be taken care of when they are sick, even if you self righteous assholes think differently. We were not all born on even ground – so we should help them out!
C. Asshole conservative: Your insurance is shitty! You assume you or your kids will never get sick! Sure if you never get sick you will save some money, but anyone who has children knows doctors visits WILL happen. If you get sick twice, you’re fucked. Plus, my whole argument is that decent health care is too expensive in the first place. It’s like not having full coverage on your car, sure you will save money, but you wreck your car and get stuck with buying a new one out of pocket, your done. Not logical.
D. Also everyone says if you love the health-care bill so much how is it benefiting you? Well in short, it won’t really effect me. It will effect the super rich who will be taxed a little more (.9%) and the poor who currently have no insurance. I will be virtually unaffected, but I think its better for society as a whole.
E. If you assholes would just be honest I’d stop debating. Just admit you could care less about the poor and their children, you don’t care if they get help, in fact you don’t think they deserve it. You want the money you earn, regardless of any advantages I or anyone else was born with. It’s my money and I want to keep it, fuck everyone else. Right?
April 7th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Response to:
A: You show me a well bodied person who truly cannot afford health insurance, and I will show you someone who isn’t working hard enough.
B: Everyone already has the opportunity to use the emergency room all they want, even if they don’t have insurance.
C: The deductible is YEARLY. You will know how it works in a few years when your parents aren’t taking care of it for you. So when you have the 2nd large medical bill, you are already up to your deductible.
D: It is affecting you. The rich people and companies that are being taxed and penalized are the same ones that we all buy our goods from. The money comes from somewhere. And it affects the country you live in when we keep spending money that we don’t have. If you love your country, you would want it to succeed.
E: I am 100% honest when i say that I do not care about people that do not want to help themselves. If someone is physically disabled, or mentally incapable of functioning as a normal person, I agree with any government program out there to give them a hand, (or foot). I even believe in government assistance for people who fall on bad times. I believe it should be very limited and strict. The problem is when you help people all the time, they forget how to help themselves, or simply do not care to. They become dependents of the state, and they have lots of children, who rarely have a future better than their parents. And this cycle goes on and on, simply because someone never tells them that they cant keep taking something for nothing.
April 7th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Pretty much option E. I have no problem helping those who are willing to help themselves, but this is not the way to do it. This is simply another entitlement program that enables more people to not have to help themselves, and its using the money of the people who put themselves in a position of success.
I also hate the welfare system. Hunger can be a huge motivator. As heartless as it sounds, I don’t want to support people who haven’t an iota of ambition to become something greater than what they are. People who have settled on the way of life that a welfare check, food stamps, and now healthcare can afford them are useless members of society.
As more and more entitlement programs are put into effect, more and more people will lose the desire to achieve. These new forms of legislated laziness need to stop, or soon there will be no pride or forward progress whatsoever in this country. People need to be held accountable for their choices and actions, good or bad. By cushioning some peoples’ bad decisions by feeding off others’ good decisions, both parties lose. Badly.
April 7th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Gotta love these quotes on the website:
“Get off your ass, go to school, and read a book – most of the world would kill for the opportunity.” – Athenswriter
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have… The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
-Thomas Jefferson (or maybe Gerald Ford)
THIS IS POSTED DIRECTLY ON THE “What JASB is all about” LINK ON THIS WEBSITE!
This is the most hypocritical shit I’ve ever seen.
April 7th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Fair enough, good talk.
June 30th, 2010 at 1:10 am
Well i guess i’ll just put my 2cents in….i have worked since i was 14 and now im 27. im in the same line of work [retail] and im getting paid less than i ever had.. My husband and i are able and willing to work as much as we can, but our hours were cut to part time and we can not after about 6 months of lookign find another job or get more hours, we can not afford health insurance and thankfully we dont need it.. If we do get sick or get pregnant [we are not parentsand we are not planning to any time soon ] i have no clue what we will do….so……just to give everybody reading this an idea of what is really going on in middle class america….most of us are screwed even though we are trying to make our situation better. And if i ever made more than i needed i would glady give to charity and help those who need it… Btw we are not on welfare… We just dont eat that much and skip movies and the bs we just dont need